Yes,une grosse co-prod m'arrangera en mai j'pense!!!On s'tient au juice ,et c'est désormais certain,je serai à Bruxelles Saint gilles les 14/15/16 et le 17 je vire au nord...Mais j'dois être de retour sur Bezak maxi l'jeudi aprem donc ce sera selon les opportunités de co-voiturage!!!Sinon il est clair que je 'omettrai point de saluer l'ami batave de ta part!!
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Cherche labels pour co-prod TUNA (punk rock/ brésil)
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david chicken
- zonard-e
- Messages : 112
- Enregistré le : 28 mars 2008 14:56
Re: Cherche labels pour co-prod TUNA (punk rock/ brésil)
salut,
voila des textes des morceaux si ca vous interesse. C'est pas des traductions directes vu que ca a l'air compliqué a traduire a cause des jeux de mots et autres subtilitées de language, donc c'est plus des commentaires sur les morceaux, voir des explication de textes des differentes subtilitées en questions.
je n'ai pas inclus les textes des morceaux en portugais pour ne pas faire un post trop long, mais c'est possible de me les demander si vous parlez portugais.
" The following texts are not TuNa’s lyrics translations, although some lyrics are translated. They’re more like reviews, descriptions, analysis. We feel it’s hard to translate them because it’d be hard to say some things in English, especially because there are a lot of words and expressions, or words used with double meaning, that only exist in Portuguese. The way the lyrics are written is as important as their meanings. So we realized it’d be better to explain them and these language expressions or metaphors.
It also happens because we don’t want our speech to be the usual argumentative/objective speech of protest lyrics, but something wider in order not to enforce a mind-set but allowing people to have their own interpretation of it.
We try not to make usual protest lyrics, pointing what’s wrong in the system, but look for different concepts to base life on.
1. Antes ser o cio que a regra
This song is about gender issues like the social and cultural divisions, the roles we play and how it creates a conflict either between the way each one lives gender and what society expects them/ us to; or between people of different genders, specially between “male” and “female”. In a free translation: there’s a lot of animosity in the speech that says the genders are like parallel lines (never cross – touch – the other). The straight lines can be curves, the different genders touch each other and so gender diversity can be respected if we realize that these divisions are just social concepts. Genders are influenced by each other and each one has his/her own way to live it.
The lyrics are constructed with puns:
· the title (better be the heat than the regra : this word means at the same time: rule, law and menstruation);
· para articular/particular/partícula – to articulate/particular/particle;
· generalização/gênero – to speak in general terms, to analyze superficially/gender;
· alelo/paralela – each different form of a gene/ parallel;
· animosidade/anima/animus – animosity/anima (the female part of every personality)/animus (the male part of personality), according to Jung;
· x e y (they mean at the same time de male and female genes and the crossing lines of a math function);
· paralela/parabólica – the parallel lines never cross, but a parabola is a curve, and is connected to both x and y in a math function;
· cio/se a – heat/if the (in portuguese the mark of gender is made with the ending “-o” – for male – and “-a” – for female, so we have the impression of cio/cia, although cia is not an existent word in Portuguese etc. Then we have: cio animus seios (tits) – if your male part are tits; se a anima bolas (in this case, two possible meanings: if your female part are testicles (balls); lift up your mood, man/brother (animar is also a verb to feel happy, and bolas also expresses surprise or disappointment);
Probably the second chorus needs translation: my male side is a slut, my female side a repressive priest (but padre also means father).
Régua is a ruler and transferidor is a protractor, kind of circular slide-rule to measure angles: Transgender is usually called trans here. The last verse, translated is like: I don’t think as a ruler (régua and regra are words from the same family – from latin regula = rule, law) but as a transferidor.
2. DE PERTO, O MUNDO DIVERSO
This song uses short-sight as a theme. Some people in the band are short-sighted and this condition is used as a metaphore. Usually, in Portuguese, saying someone is short-sighted means he/she is a narrow-minded person. This song gives this expression the opposite meaning: someone short-sighted needs to look things closer, and to be closer is to pay more attention to details and small differences; to understand the whole picture, when you’re short-sighted, you exercise your imagination and, your general view is a junction of all those individual and particular experiences. It’s different from the normal sight because this one is not supposed to look closely, it looks generally and doesn’t see the peculiarities of life. Looking up close, nothing is ever identical to anything else. Some verses (pensar é estar doente dos olhos) were stolen from Alberto Caeiro, a poet created by the Portuguese poet Fernando Pessoa, and other writers, like Clarice Lispector (brasilian writer) and Saint Exupéry.
3. QUERO FICAR NO TEU CORPO FEITO TATUAGEM
This song was dedicated to a friend, really good tattoo artist and really good person! It was born from the idea that a tattoo is something that comes from inside to outside, not the opposite, and the really special intimacy and friendship we have with this guy. So, skin is not the external part of our body, but the most explicit internal part. It makes every touch intimate, because you’re inside the other when you touch her/him. The title was taken from the first verse of a brasilian singer’s song (Chico Buarque): I want to be in your body like a tattoo.
4. BOM DIA, CABEÇA DE NABO!
This lyric is about ages. It’s a story in the first person about someone whose age changes according to his/her mood and feelings. In the first strophe s/he is 80 years old (going to bed, at night, not much hope left, arthritis in the life experience); in the second, 4 years old (awakening, in the morning, not much experienced – s/he doesn’t know how to clean her/his own ass, has a lot of hope, his/herself to create); in the third, 13 (during the day; when you’re 13 hope is like acne; if subversion is a handjob, freedom is the neighbor’s daughter); in the last one, 40 (in the sunset; life begins at 40, hand in hand, tender kiss, return to mother’s belly).
It was inspired by the Hayao Miyazaki’s movie Howl’s moving castle.
It’s about time, experience, young spirit, construction/development of the self, life as a cycle.
5. voAR da cidade
The metaphor here is the following: we are in the south hemisphere, and we usually represent north as up and south as down. If we think of the ordinary globe representation, we’re standing upside down, what invert things: up is the ground (north) and down is the sky (south). Here, if we’re not afraid, we can fall to the sky. But gravity glues us to the ground (in Portuguese gravity means the physical force and also seriousness). The gravity is associated to work and modern workers’ life in polluted cities. The gravity is the gray from the dust as a trap in our legs. The dust in the air is a curtain hiding the horizon… but our eyes are wings and our lungs can blow the dust away, if we’re not afraid to fall to the sky.
The title: Voar means to fly, ar means air = VoAR da cidade = the fly from the city/air of the city.
6. APIMENTANDO O NOSSO
This song is also about giving yourself up to life and to the present moment, to the things you love and want to do; to take risks. The metaphor, better said, the analogy here is made according to:
· The five Chinese elements: water, earth, wood, metal and fire.
· The way food works in this elements theory: salty (water), sweet, sour, spicy, bitter.
· the construction of a guitar (dry water from wood, use fire to make steel – strings)
· a couple making love
So, in the first strophe: it’s necessary to dry the wood (make the water, the honey-dew, the sap flow) otherwise it gets rot. In the second: only tempered steel (melt metal on fire and then quench it in water) can be bended and tensioned to reverb on wood. After that you can pick it till your fingers burn. In the third: some chilly can dissolve sadness, the anger, the fear and the bitter flow and dry… for people to heal their wounds they must be warmer when getting in touch with other people, making it spicier.
The chilly is a special element in the lyric, because in this Chinese tradition it prevents sadness.
There are lots of puns here too:
· Apimentando o nosso: to put chilly (apimentar) is a brasilian expression that means to make things more alive, vivid, for example “apimentar a relação” is to heat up a relationship, let the passion flow… at the same time we also say “pimenta no cu dos outros é refresco” (chilly in someone else’s ass is refreshing = people don’t consider problems are serious, if it’s someone else’s problem). The title is a joke using both ideas…
· Temperar in portuguese means, at the same time: temper metal (make steel from iron, for example) and seasoning food.
· “Cair na pira”: pira means at the same time pyre, the wood arrangement to be set fire, and idea… “cair na pira” is a slang that means to go with the flow, to follow a feeling or an idea.
· “pro nosso samba dar rock ‘n roll”: when something is going right we can use the brasilian expression “vai dar samba” (we can make samba out of it)- a positive meaning; samba is also used to say “it’s a mess”, in a negative way. The joke is to say we can go over the bad things of life if we follow our passions: our mess can be transformed into something good: our samba can be transformed into rock’n roll.
7. ISMAEL NO LIQUIDIAMPLIFICADOR
This song was inspired by the book Ismael, by Daniel Quinn. It’s about how the humankind put itself apart from nature and how culture generally is an attempt to take control over life and death. Ideology and culture construct our arrogance tower, and on its top we watch all the world as a product we own. This is our prison.
To free yourself from it, it’s necessary to clean up our mind from this fear and from the idea we’re a special creation of god to rule the world. But culture is a room with only an entrance door. We can’t open this door to go out. That’s why we must jump the out of the window. If we know what’s inside and can watch it from the outside we can create a new and free beginning.
voila des textes des morceaux si ca vous interesse. C'est pas des traductions directes vu que ca a l'air compliqué a traduire a cause des jeux de mots et autres subtilitées de language, donc c'est plus des commentaires sur les morceaux, voir des explication de textes des differentes subtilitées en questions.
je n'ai pas inclus les textes des morceaux en portugais pour ne pas faire un post trop long, mais c'est possible de me les demander si vous parlez portugais.
" The following texts are not TuNa’s lyrics translations, although some lyrics are translated. They’re more like reviews, descriptions, analysis. We feel it’s hard to translate them because it’d be hard to say some things in English, especially because there are a lot of words and expressions, or words used with double meaning, that only exist in Portuguese. The way the lyrics are written is as important as their meanings. So we realized it’d be better to explain them and these language expressions or metaphors.
It also happens because we don’t want our speech to be the usual argumentative/objective speech of protest lyrics, but something wider in order not to enforce a mind-set but allowing people to have their own interpretation of it.
We try not to make usual protest lyrics, pointing what’s wrong in the system, but look for different concepts to base life on.
1. Antes ser o cio que a regra
This song is about gender issues like the social and cultural divisions, the roles we play and how it creates a conflict either between the way each one lives gender and what society expects them/ us to; or between people of different genders, specially between “male” and “female”. In a free translation: there’s a lot of animosity in the speech that says the genders are like parallel lines (never cross – touch – the other). The straight lines can be curves, the different genders touch each other and so gender diversity can be respected if we realize that these divisions are just social concepts. Genders are influenced by each other and each one has his/her own way to live it.
The lyrics are constructed with puns:
· the title (better be the heat than the regra : this word means at the same time: rule, law and menstruation);
· para articular/particular/partícula – to articulate/particular/particle;
· generalização/gênero – to speak in general terms, to analyze superficially/gender;
· alelo/paralela – each different form of a gene/ parallel;
· animosidade/anima/animus – animosity/anima (the female part of every personality)/animus (the male part of personality), according to Jung;
· x e y (they mean at the same time de male and female genes and the crossing lines of a math function);
· paralela/parabólica – the parallel lines never cross, but a parabola is a curve, and is connected to both x and y in a math function;
· cio/se a – heat/if the (in portuguese the mark of gender is made with the ending “-o” – for male – and “-a” – for female, so we have the impression of cio/cia, although cia is not an existent word in Portuguese etc. Then we have: cio animus seios (tits) – if your male part are tits; se a anima bolas (in this case, two possible meanings: if your female part are testicles (balls); lift up your mood, man/brother (animar is also a verb to feel happy, and bolas also expresses surprise or disappointment);
Probably the second chorus needs translation: my male side is a slut, my female side a repressive priest (but padre also means father).
Régua is a ruler and transferidor is a protractor, kind of circular slide-rule to measure angles: Transgender is usually called trans here. The last verse, translated is like: I don’t think as a ruler (régua and regra are words from the same family – from latin regula = rule, law) but as a transferidor.
2. DE PERTO, O MUNDO DIVERSO
This song uses short-sight as a theme. Some people in the band are short-sighted and this condition is used as a metaphore. Usually, in Portuguese, saying someone is short-sighted means he/she is a narrow-minded person. This song gives this expression the opposite meaning: someone short-sighted needs to look things closer, and to be closer is to pay more attention to details and small differences; to understand the whole picture, when you’re short-sighted, you exercise your imagination and, your general view is a junction of all those individual and particular experiences. It’s different from the normal sight because this one is not supposed to look closely, it looks generally and doesn’t see the peculiarities of life. Looking up close, nothing is ever identical to anything else. Some verses (pensar é estar doente dos olhos) were stolen from Alberto Caeiro, a poet created by the Portuguese poet Fernando Pessoa, and other writers, like Clarice Lispector (brasilian writer) and Saint Exupéry.
3. QUERO FICAR NO TEU CORPO FEITO TATUAGEM
This song was dedicated to a friend, really good tattoo artist and really good person! It was born from the idea that a tattoo is something that comes from inside to outside, not the opposite, and the really special intimacy and friendship we have with this guy. So, skin is not the external part of our body, but the most explicit internal part. It makes every touch intimate, because you’re inside the other when you touch her/him. The title was taken from the first verse of a brasilian singer’s song (Chico Buarque): I want to be in your body like a tattoo.
4. BOM DIA, CABEÇA DE NABO!
This lyric is about ages. It’s a story in the first person about someone whose age changes according to his/her mood and feelings. In the first strophe s/he is 80 years old (going to bed, at night, not much hope left, arthritis in the life experience); in the second, 4 years old (awakening, in the morning, not much experienced – s/he doesn’t know how to clean her/his own ass, has a lot of hope, his/herself to create); in the third, 13 (during the day; when you’re 13 hope is like acne; if subversion is a handjob, freedom is the neighbor’s daughter); in the last one, 40 (in the sunset; life begins at 40, hand in hand, tender kiss, return to mother’s belly).
It was inspired by the Hayao Miyazaki’s movie Howl’s moving castle.
It’s about time, experience, young spirit, construction/development of the self, life as a cycle.
5. voAR da cidade
The metaphor here is the following: we are in the south hemisphere, and we usually represent north as up and south as down. If we think of the ordinary globe representation, we’re standing upside down, what invert things: up is the ground (north) and down is the sky (south). Here, if we’re not afraid, we can fall to the sky. But gravity glues us to the ground (in Portuguese gravity means the physical force and also seriousness). The gravity is associated to work and modern workers’ life in polluted cities. The gravity is the gray from the dust as a trap in our legs. The dust in the air is a curtain hiding the horizon… but our eyes are wings and our lungs can blow the dust away, if we’re not afraid to fall to the sky.
The title: Voar means to fly, ar means air = VoAR da cidade = the fly from the city/air of the city.
6. APIMENTANDO O NOSSO
This song is also about giving yourself up to life and to the present moment, to the things you love and want to do; to take risks. The metaphor, better said, the analogy here is made according to:
· The five Chinese elements: water, earth, wood, metal and fire.
· The way food works in this elements theory: salty (water), sweet, sour, spicy, bitter.
· the construction of a guitar (dry water from wood, use fire to make steel – strings)
· a couple making love
So, in the first strophe: it’s necessary to dry the wood (make the water, the honey-dew, the sap flow) otherwise it gets rot. In the second: only tempered steel (melt metal on fire and then quench it in water) can be bended and tensioned to reverb on wood. After that you can pick it till your fingers burn. In the third: some chilly can dissolve sadness, the anger, the fear and the bitter flow and dry… for people to heal their wounds they must be warmer when getting in touch with other people, making it spicier.
The chilly is a special element in the lyric, because in this Chinese tradition it prevents sadness.
There are lots of puns here too:
· Apimentando o nosso: to put chilly (apimentar) is a brasilian expression that means to make things more alive, vivid, for example “apimentar a relação” is to heat up a relationship, let the passion flow… at the same time we also say “pimenta no cu dos outros é refresco” (chilly in someone else’s ass is refreshing = people don’t consider problems are serious, if it’s someone else’s problem). The title is a joke using both ideas…
· Temperar in portuguese means, at the same time: temper metal (make steel from iron, for example) and seasoning food.
· “Cair na pira”: pira means at the same time pyre, the wood arrangement to be set fire, and idea… “cair na pira” is a slang that means to go with the flow, to follow a feeling or an idea.
· “pro nosso samba dar rock ‘n roll”: when something is going right we can use the brasilian expression “vai dar samba” (we can make samba out of it)- a positive meaning; samba is also used to say “it’s a mess”, in a negative way. The joke is to say we can go over the bad things of life if we follow our passions: our mess can be transformed into something good: our samba can be transformed into rock’n roll.
7. ISMAEL NO LIQUIDIAMPLIFICADOR
This song was inspired by the book Ismael, by Daniel Quinn. It’s about how the humankind put itself apart from nature and how culture generally is an attempt to take control over life and death. Ideology and culture construct our arrogance tower, and on its top we watch all the world as a product we own. This is our prison.
To free yourself from it, it’s necessary to clean up our mind from this fear and from the idea we’re a special creation of god to rule the world. But culture is a room with only an entrance door. We can’t open this door to go out. That’s why we must jump the out of the window. If we know what’s inside and can watch it from the outside we can create a new and free beginning.
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david chicken
- zonard-e
- Messages : 112
- Enregistré le : 28 mars 2008 14:56
Re: Cherche labels pour co-prod TUNA (punk rock/ brésil)
salut,
je fais resurgir ce sujet des tréfonds de je sais pas quoi.
Bon, grosso modo le skeud est pret a partir au pressage, il y a 7 morceaux, 23 minutes, pour un 12'', une belle pochette, le groupe vient tourner en europe en juin/juillet mais HUm... il manque 300 euros...
C'est une co prod les nains aussi, too circle (japon), perce oreille, chicken's call, dreams come true, tuna. Si vous voulez/pouvez participer c'est formidable, faites moi signe par mp ou plutot en ecrivant a "chickens.call@free.fr".
pour rappel tuna c'est du punk rock do brasil avec des gens d'execradores et compagnie mais ca ressemble plutot un peu a gorilla angreb et criatura et d'autres trucs. il y a des morceaux et infos sur "tunapunkrock.com" et leur mypouet. je peut aussi envoyer les morceaux en meilleure qualité si qq veut..
ah, et puis c'est un peu urgent aussi, sinon c'est pas drôle..
mercibises
je fais resurgir ce sujet des tréfonds de je sais pas quoi.
Bon, grosso modo le skeud est pret a partir au pressage, il y a 7 morceaux, 23 minutes, pour un 12'', une belle pochette, le groupe vient tourner en europe en juin/juillet mais HUm... il manque 300 euros...
C'est une co prod les nains aussi, too circle (japon), perce oreille, chicken's call, dreams come true, tuna. Si vous voulez/pouvez participer c'est formidable, faites moi signe par mp ou plutot en ecrivant a "chickens.call@free.fr".
pour rappel tuna c'est du punk rock do brasil avec des gens d'execradores et compagnie mais ca ressemble plutot un peu a gorilla angreb et criatura et d'autres trucs. il y a des morceaux et infos sur "tunapunkrock.com" et leur mypouet. je peut aussi envoyer les morceaux en meilleure qualité si qq veut..
ah, et puis c'est un peu urgent aussi, sinon c'est pas drôle..
mercibises
Re: Cherche labels pour co-prod TUNA (punk rock/ brésil)
j'ai copié collé ton post sur Keponteam.org, lequel forum s'est doublé d'une asso et se lance dans les concerts et dans un label. On va voir s'il y a réaction, pour ma part, je vais tenter d'aller écouter ça dans la journée.
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